Pirate Congress 2013/Minutes

=Day One=

Rules of procedure

 * All in favour of adopting.

Agenda

 * Amendment to include Rick Falkvinge @ 4:00 pm
 * Agenda agreed to.

Brendan Molloy (Secretary)

 * Current membership over 750 members.
 * Registered in January this year thanks to efforts of Registration Work Group (Mk II)
 * Close to getting registered near Congress last year
 * A new member, Ronan Lee, raised a motion to form the Registration Work Group
 * Consisted of Ronan, Wendy Nye and Quentin Serrurier
 * Motion was to be given access to membership data in order to register the Party
 * Limited access to data given — only the required information to verify being on the electoral roll
 * Ronan Lee had tried to actively contact members through the mailing lists with the information he had
 * Used a personal Hotmail address to contact them
 * Was taken off the Work Group after complaints
 * Added new members to the Registration Work Group:
 * 90% of the auditing ended up being done Daniel Judge (Feenicks)
 * Verified about 150 members manually
 * At the end Ronan and Wendy had resigned from the Party, Quentin AWOL.
 * Audit was a success
 * Continuing activism
 * Telstra found to be complicit with the United States Government in surveillance last night.

Simon Frew (Deputy President)

 * Interesting year this year
 * NSA scandal
 * Held rallies last week which were somewhat successful and will be built on
 * NSA privacy scandals becoming bigger as more and more info comes out
 * People will become more aware of the situation
 * Election is keeping us really busy
 * Anyone who can help with the campaign please do!
 * Helping out at polling booths
 * Putting up posters

Rodney Serkowski (Treasurer)

 * Approximately $8150 income compared to $950 last year.
 * Expenditure increased from practically nothing to nearly $1400 for the year
 * Printing and servers
 * $500 for servers, but substantial portion donated
 * As per 30th June, 2013:
 * Party has $23,730
 * Fund raising has been a high priority for the National Council
 * Following registration, membership fees for new members have been reinstated.
 * Introduced nominal fees for events, such as Congress, and actually made money on the last meeting (Policy, April 2013)
 * Provides surplus funding for activism and electoral work
 * Brendan deserves a special mention for working out pain free application and donation mechanisms
 * Testament to the dedication of activists that we've expended so little from the Party coffers themselves.
 * Expenditure has increased, but is more than covered by incoming donations
 * Legislation has been passed to double candidate fees
 * Roughly $16,000 in candidate fees over four states
 * Ongoing frugal efforts of National Council
 * Members donating enormous amounts of time and money
 * Very generous donors
 * Innovative and low-cost campaigning will be key to success
 * Will make a motion that the Congress consents to a waivering of an auditor's report
 * Cost is approximately $1000-$1500.
 * Rodney will be retiring from the NC after six years of dedication
 * Time to let other people contribute


 * MOTION: The Auditor's report as per Article 6 [of the Party Constitution] is waived by this Congress
 * Motion carried

Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer (Deputy Secretary)

 * Last year has been an enormous challenge moving from a very limited policy to other areas
 * Has been quite good to explore new areas
 * We didn't have any huge 'factions' developing in opposition to new policies
 * Registration has brought a lot of legitimacy to us
 * AFACT said not to pay attention to us because we weren't registered
 * Good to show a few people that we are serious
 * Most of our work is outside elections, despite the upcoming Federal Election and ACT 2012 elections
 * Most is done through submissions and continued pressure on Government
 * As Press Officer, seen a lot of news reports.
 * 3AW described us as 'whackos and fringe dwellers'
 * The fact that we're being cited in reviews, and even if we don't poll well, we are getting our name out there in other ways.
 * Hopefully over the next three years, building state branches and reputation will help get more people involved.
 * It's not enough to have the bulk of the work done by 10–15 people, we need to get everyone involved.
 * The 2016 election will be a lot better for us in that regard.
 * 2013 election is just telling people we exist.

Brendan Molloy

 * DFAT: Did you make a submission on pharma patents?
 * No time to do it.
 * DFAT were looking for our submission
 * Brendan got DFAT to broadly understand issues around draconian copyright
 * DFAT fails to to look outside service
 * PPAU is very important as an activist organisation
 * Offers insights most other people don't

Glen Takkenberg (Party Agent)

 * Also secretary of ACT branch
 * ACT branch didn't get registered in time for election but got the name out there.
 * First election will be people focusing on the name
 * Once we break through the election we'll get better attention and move towards 2016
 * Real maturation of the party with the PDC
 * Much more diverse range of policies
 * Quite surprising to see how little division these new policies have caused
 * Quite a few policies today which should be very good going forward.

CAP-1

 * Amendments
 * Amendment by Mark Gibbons
 * Amendment carried
 * Amendment by Rodney Serkowski
 * Amendment carried
 * CAP-1 carried

CAP-2

 * Questions
 * David Crafti: What about state issues?
 * Covered by constitution under "subordinate organisations"
 * Sunny Kalsi: How do we define what "imply" means here? If someone accidentally implies, can they simply issue a clarification?
 * Depends on degree of statement. Errors aren't so much a problem.
 * David Crafti: Can it be re-written to have a maximum penalty of a clarification?
 * Matter for NC bylaw
 * CAP-2 carried

CAP-3

 * Questions:
 * Adam Thomas: What constitutes a signature for the purposes of resignation?
 * Written and evidenced
 * Amendments:
 * Amendment by Andrew Downing
 * Clarified by Glen Takkenberg
 * CAP-3 carried
 * One abstain, one nay

CAP-4

 * Questions:
 * Thomas Randle: How are candidates ranked on the ballot?
 * Bylaw does this (to be inserted)
 * Comments:
 * Glen Takkenberg: This amenndment sets out the regulations for the meetings in 5.1
 * Amendments:
 * None
 * CAP-4 carried

CAP-5

 * Questions
 * None
 * Comments
 * None
 * Amendments
 * None
 * CAP-5 carried

CAP-6

 * Questions
 * Rodney Serkowski: How far did we want the operation of this to extend? Should applications declare investments in coal mining, etc?
 * National Council bylaw to clarify, and DRC can fix it
 * Glen Takkenberg: What if a conflict arises during tenure?
 * Depends on impact and disclosure
 * Reasonable people can deal with it
 * DRC can arbitrate
 * NGOs typically have people with a conflict to abstain
 * Trust is a big part; better to have transparent approach so best judgement can be made.
 * Comments
 * CAP-6 carried

CAP-7

 * Amendments
 * Two by Alexis Shaw
 * Questions
 * Joe Miles: does this include organisations like PPI
 * Yes
 * Thomas Randle: how does this work with majorities if in the case of a merger?
 * To merge, the dissolution of PPAU has a two-thirds majority
 * CAP-7 carried

CAP-8

 * Grouped motion

CAP-8A

 * CAP-8A carried

CAP-8B

 * Questions
 * David Kennedy: do we have enough Pirates to fill the positions?
 * No NC positions are doubled up at the moment, and we have more than enough to fill the NC at this Congress
 * CAP-8B carried

CAP-8C

 * Questions
 * Glen Takkenberg: This seems to remove "Party Agent" from the constitution and might be wrong according to the AEC
 * Misread the motion, and it assigns the role of Party Agent to the Registered Officer
 * CAP-8C carried

CAP-8D

 * Questions
 * Sunny Kalsi: Why not predefine responsibilities?
 * Need the flexibility of having people who can adapt more easily
 * David Kennedy: Why not increase NC according to need?
 * Too arbitrary; how do you determine a reasonable number and vote them in?
 * CAP-8D carried

CAP-8E

 * Questions
 * Postponed pending amendment by David Crafti

CAP-9

 * Questions/comments
 * Glen Takkenberg: What is the intent of of point 6 (enact or enforce contradictory policies)?
 * To avoid state branches from having contradictory policies
 * Bryn Busai: I'd say grandfather the clause
 * David Crafti: NC should not be able overule state party on campaign strategies
 * Does not apply to anything beyond policy
 * George Campbell:
 * CAP-9 carried
 * CAP-9 carried

CAP-10

 * Questions
 * Alexis Shaw: What about Bitcoin?
 * Bitcoin attracts capital gains tax, and therefore possible legal issues
 * CAP-10 carried

CAP-11

 * Cap-11 carried

CAP-12

 * Questions:
 * Glen Takkenberg: isn't there a way to make minor changes to the constitution?
 * No, only for policies.
 * CAP-12 carried

CAP-13

 * Questions:
 * David Crafti: What about inserting sections, such as 1A, 1AA, etc?
 * It's similar to parliamentary numbering, but not exactly. We don't want section 4AAAAZZZ, and so on.
 * CAP-13 carried

CAP-8E (continued)

 * Amendments
 * Amended by David Crafti and Brendan Molloy
 * CAP-8E carried


 * Motion:
 * Brendan Molloy: Vote CAP-8A through CAP-8E as a block, entitled CAP-8.
 * Motion carried

PM-1: Civil liberties

 * Questions
 * George Campbell: Why are there narrow exceptions to allow courts to force revelation.
 * Thomas Randle: It applies in some cases where it was obviously malicious
 * Option to commit the narrow exceptions accepted
 * Chris: "Abolish the RC category of content." and "Preserve laws governing illegal content." are contradictory? declaring content as RC is the main way to make content illegal as I understand it? or is that last point basically for child porn/other such laws?
 * Illegal content is child pornography, etc. Refused classification has become the default classification for things that have not or cannot be classified according to puritanical regulations of the Government of the day.
 * Sunny Kalsi: "National Security Legislation Monitor 2012 Annual Report" can you give us some of the flavour of the points in there?
 * Link to be provided
 * Thomas Storey "Public interest threshold will be met in cases of ...illegal, immoral or anti-social behaviour, ...", immoral is not clearly defined, who decides what is immoral?
 * Mark Gibbons: Happy to change "immoral" to "corrupt" (accepted)
 * Andrew Downing: Motion to commit the definition of "journalists" for review
 * Accepted
 * Sunny Kalsi: "Ethics" does not necessarily have religious implications.
 * Yes, but still has iffy implications
 * David Crafti: Change Anti-social to abusive, or remove it.
 * David Crafti: Comment Words like immoral, which are left undefined, are defined by the court, and they tend to take a narrow view.
 * Sunny Kalsi: Where do the words "immoral" and "anti-social" come from? Can we use those other documents as reference?
 * APF(?)
 * Amendments:
 * Two by Brendan Molloy
 * Struck out implementation of all recommendations of the Independent Nat Sec Leg Mon 2012 Ann Rep
 * Glen Takkenberg: Ensure all persons have full and free access to their medical records
 * Accepted
 * PM-1 carried

PM-2

 * Questions:
 * Alexis Shaw: this funding is in addition to other funding already existant?
 * Yes
 * Liam Pomfret: "An additional grant stream"? As in existing funding which doesn't require that continues to exist? I can't help but think that if the government is funding something, it should be mandatory CC (or similar) licensing.
 * George Campbell: Big issue for small groups is indemnity insurance. Could groups up to a certain size be indemnified by the Government
 * It would be tricky to make exceptions, but could create a grant to get around it. Greatly increased the cost for small venues, went to large venues and caused more violence
 * Motion to commit is accepted
 * Andrew Downing: Why 100 acts?
 * Arbitrary, rounded number
 * Dan Angelou: What is the logic behind creating a single source of information.
 * Talked to an artist, a single source of information would help a lot. Single portal through which the information could be found.
 * Dan Angelou: Specifying emerging artists, a lot of funding is already going to them. Lack of funding available to mid-career/advanced artists and a wider
 * More community-oriented approach.
 * Motion to commit for additional categories of art (including visual and performing) accepted
 * George Campbell: Nothing specifying emerging artists in the text beyond the heading
 * Focus of policy is on emerging, and shows how to achieve this.
 * Glen Takkenberg: Do we need to define small capacity?
 * No, leave it for legislation, requirements might change depending on the city.
 * PM-2 carried

=Day Two=

PM-3: Education

 * Questions/comments:
 * XYZ: the last sentence of the second paragraph of the preamble is unreferenced
 * David Campbell: What is the Excellence in Research program?
 * Excellence in Research was a rating to make non-numerical things numerically measurable in regard to publishing materials
 * Glen Takkenberg: Restoring previously planned funding growth and reverse the mooted $2.3 billion reduction should be specific to a year:
 * It's difficult because there's no actual decision, but it's still official Government policy
 * This line is committed for PDC review
 * Glen Takkenberg: need to include tolerance under the religious section
 * Amended to be "history, culture and literature"
 * Adam Thomas: No mention of literacy and numeracy
 * No opposition to the existing regimes.
 * Jed Barber: Restoring previously planned funding growth and reverse the mooted $2.3 billion reduction --- under a billion of that was funding, rest for HECS, should we include that under the point about reducing HECS by 25%?
 * It's true that there is a HECS component, but we would put that on top of our 25%.
 * PM-3 carried as amended

PM-4

 * Questions/comments
 * Jed Barber: What about limits on how much can be donated, such as in Canada I believe?
 * Trade off between transparency in donations and ridiculous overfunding
 * Jed Barber: Electronic voting and large ballots should be reviewed
 * Committed to PDC
 * George Campbell: is it $50 per person or $50 per event total
 * Per person, needs to be clarified (accepted)
 * George Campbell: the debate thing is impractical given the number of parties
 * Deliberately open-ended
 * George Campbell: paper is much better than electronic
 * This would be a touchscreen computer with a printer
 * Andrew Downing: Why is the $50 limited to public events?
 * Ministerial events mean ridiculous injections of funds
 * Issue committed to PDC
 * Simon Frew: Does lobbyists include all donors?
 * It's open ended to be limited in prescription and therefore
 * Simon Frew: What about claims by politicians?
 * Advertising is very narrow and specific. It's about use of time and space for a message
 * David Crafti: Politicians can't be held to their promises
 * Glen Takkenberg: Will the evoting system include an ability not to vote?
 * Yes, that wouldn't change.
 * Glen Takkenberg: Did the PDC consider banning corporations from donating?
 * It's a fine line because it would lead to an obscure system of donating by getting around things. How could the ALP take donations from unions? Wouldn't that move it towards
 * Glen Takkenberg: Extending public domain contracts into federal-owned corporations, etc.
 * Didn't come up.
 * Committed to PDC
 * Thomas Randle: sounds like the truth in advertising could lead to curtailing of freedom of speech and creating an offense for freedom of speech.
 * It's to extend deliberate attempts to mislead
 * Joe Miles: To say it's a free speech issue is to say coke must be able to say their drink cures AIDS
 * David Crafti: Should we add "intent" and "knowledge of inaccuracy" clauses to the statement?
 * Yes, this should be specified
 * Liam Pomfret: Perhaps the issue should be more that it's knowingly misleading? As in, there was intention to lie and mislead, rather than an honest mistake or just using aggressive words?
 * Covered by the policy
 * Liam Pomfret: So it's just a matter of changing the wording to emphasise that it's about intention to lie and mislead.
 * Yes.
 * Amendments
 * Brendan Molloy: insert "intentionally" before "innacurate or misleading..."
 * Amendment accepted
 * Thomas Randle: Strike off "Pass a truth in political advertising law..."
 * Jed Barber: Would it be better to simply state that we're extending the advertising requirements to political things?
 * Perhaps.
 * Andrew Downing: no money to fight it for small parties.
 * David Campbell: perhaps a public
 * Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer: there might be a constitutional issue over political freedom
 * Amendment to strike out the truth in political advertising point accepted
 * PM-4 carried

PM-5: Environmental policy

 * Questions/comments
 * David Campbell: Why don't we just ban all live animal exports, with a view to ending it?
 * Not enough information to set a target date.
 * David Campbell: Stunning prior to execution might violate halal or kosher requirements?
 * Yes it should be looked at.
 * Brendan Molloy: I would like to see the compensation issue added back in. Why was it removed?
 * Mark Gibbons: Stopping additional mines futile (something like that --- fix)
 * George Campbell: Extraction around water catchment areas, does that include aquifers and can it be amended?
 * Yes, but it could be made more explicit. "Water catchment areas and aquifers..." (amended)
 * George Campbell: Do we need to specify non-industry and non-government researchers under independents:
 * Mark Gibbons: statutory authority, requiring independence.
 * George Campbell: 28 kg per square metres for birds seems a lot still.
 * Policy follows the RSPCA, reference will be put into the policy
 * Adam Thomas: free range labelling also includes "organic" and "free trade" which are trademarks. Why not do the same with "free range"
 * It hasn't worked out all that well at the moment.
 * Mark Gibbons: leaving it up to trademarks isn't going to work.
 * Andrew Downing: Why didn't we look at continued use of antibiotics over the life of animals?
 * Mark Gibbons: sometimes antibiotics are used for genuine purposes. No particular implications for antibiotics under free range laws.
 * Andrew Downing: Cramped conditions an unsanitary conditions require the use of antibiotics.
 * Regulation of antibiotics
 * Commit the issue of antibiotics in agriculture to the PDC.
 * Amendments:
 * Brendan: Insert the line: "The moratorium includes additional fracturing on current mines in metropolitan areas."
 * Amendment accepted
 * PM-5 carried

Melanie Thomas

 * Nominations for: Pres, Dep Pres, Clr.
 * Been on PDC since it started --- insight into polices
 * Works in media and market
 * Very strategically minded
 * Always looking forward to the future
 * Being President is a strategic role
 * Has a vision for the Party, and with experience day-to-day, she feels she can bring that vision to PPAU
 * We could be where the Greens were a few years ago
 * Wants to take that to the next level
 * Connecting further with the EU parties
 * We need to build deeper ties with them, which PPI has failed to do
 * But we can branch out ourselves
 * Wants to be part of the global movement
 * Wants the success of Europe here
 * And is the lead Senate candidate for Qld
 * Passionate, strong leadership vision
 * Taking us to the next level

Simon Frew

 * Nominations for: Pres, Dep Pres,
 * Been a member since the beginning of the Party
 * Put a lot of time and effort in
 * Lots of speaking to media and attending meetings with Gov't
 * Worked on submissions
 * Would like to expand and get a lot more people involved
 * More participation from ordinary members
 * More input we get, the better we'll be
 * Is a musician outside of the Party
 * Good to have an artist in the role of President to show we aren't against art
 * Rather we're opposed to copyright abuses
 * Experience in politics over the last decade means connections with various groups we need to work with
 * Wants to expand into working with other Pirates
 * Working with Californian and Dutch Pirates

David Crafti

 * Nominations for: Dep Pres, Clr, DRC, Dep Sec

Daniel Judge

 * Nominations for: Sec
 * Link to video

Mark Gibbons

 * Nominations for: Dep Treas, Party Agent, PDO
 * Get notes from Mark

Joe Miles

 * Transcript

Ben McGinnes

 * Nominations for: Treasurer, Councillor, Victorian State Coordinator

Transcript:

Hello, I am Ben McGinnes and I believe I am able to contribute to the ongoing development of Pirate Party Australia. I am nominating for the position of Treasurer in the 2013 to 2014 National Council.

I have been a member of the Party since early 2011 and actively involved since mid-2012. My work to date has primarily consisted of:


 * Co-authoring the Pirate Party submission to the National Security Inquiry.
 * Membership of the Policy Development Committee.  Including:
 * Chairing the Digital Liberties Working Group.
 * And being actively involved in the development of numerous policies, including those passed at the Policy Meeting in April, as well as those we are voting on at this Congress.
 * I am a member of the Elections Committee working on the strategy to take our candidates to this year's Federal Election.
 * Since the beginning of this year I have been the State Coordinator for the Victorian Branch.
 * I have also been involved in helping organise the recent Protect Our Privacy rally in Melbourne.
 * My relevant activities outside of the Party include:
 * Prior experience of two years on the Committee of Linux Users of Victoria, where I held the position of Vice President. This provided me with experience in the type of legislative and financial requirements for running an incorporated association.  The NSW requirements for the Party as an incorporated association will be fairly similar in many respects to Victoria's and while the AEC requirements will be slightly different, they should not be too onerous.
 * I am also a member of, and occasional volunteer with, Civil Liberties Australia; an organisation with aims which are similar to those of the Party in a number of key areas.

The position of Treasurer is my preferred position on the National Council. In the event that I do not succeed in achieving this position, I have a secondary nomination for one of the two new National Councillor positions proposed at this Congress. I will, of course, happily serve the Party in either position.

Additionally, I am also nominating to continue as State Coordinator for Victoria for similar reasons to those I have expressed for the position of Treasurer. Though the Victorian branch is still growing, I hope to be able to continue the work on the Senate campaign here, continue regular monthly meetings for the expanding membership and begin regional meetings through online participation.

Thankyou for considering my nomination.

Glen Takkenberg

 * Nominations for: Dep Treas, Party Agent
 * On the NC currently
 * ACT member, involved heavily in the ACT branch
 * As Party Agent aware of the financial requirements
 * This is why running for those positions
 * Also Deputy Treasurer of ACT branch

David Campbell

 * Nominations for: Dep Pres, Dep Treas, Clr
 * President for two years
 * Not able to commit a whole heap of time due to life
 * Experience in finance and treasury of a Rotary Club
 * Hence why nominating for Dep Treas
 * Previously provided technical expertise

Sunny Kalsi

 * From Wiki

Bryn Busai

 * Nominations for: SA Coord, Clr
 * From Wiki

Rodney Serkowski

 * Nominations for: DRC
 * From Wiki

Thomas Storey

 * Preselection for Tas
 * Get email

Checks

 * Simon Frew withdraws from NSW coordinator.
 * Thomas Randle standing for Tasmanian coordinator (from the floor, no speech)
 * David Crafti nominates for Deputy Secretary
 * Bryn Busai nominates for Councillor

PM-6: Asylum & refugees

 * Get notes from Mark
 * Questions/comments:
 * How does our policy deal with refugees who bypass the regional processing system?
 * Several areas where people can be processed, including Australia. No benefit going any further than you have to given regional processing.
 * Glen Takkenberg: fix use of "PPAU"?
 * Yes, can be amended later
 * Sunny Kalsi: If there's a pathway to citizenship in the country in which they land, how does this create a single queue? (I'm probably misunderstanding)
 * Shared arrangements are stage one of the process.
 * George Campbell: We have a million people queuing to come to Australia, how do we support them?
 * Lowered cost as a result of having a better community release system
 * George Campbell: How long is the queue?
 * No projections, but this would reduce the length.
 * Andrew Downing: If someone came to Australia wanting to be here, should they be released here?
 * Assignment is neutral, no point in moving them around unnecessarily


 * Amendments:
 * Chris: add below Nations to pool information to assist with document and identity checkin--- "Processing will follow all relevant International Law and Treaties"
 * Accepted


 * PM-6 carried

PM-7

 * Get notes from Mark
 * Questions/comments
 * Jed Barber: Is there a need to clarify that the UNC on Torture should be ratified?
 * Yes, we can do that
 * Daniel Judge: investor state things, isnt abbot on record as saying they;s support the investor state dispute tribunals?
 * Yes, he is.
 * Amendments
 * Jed Barber: Replace "is a non-signatory of" with "has not ratified"
 * Amendment accepted

PM-8

 * Questions/comments
 * David Crafti: It seems like that would just lead to contracting in another form with the same effect.
 * 15 years for everything makes a single copyright regime
 * Sam Kearns: the whole purpose is to wind back the copyright extension that's been going on, and we're putting forward an extension of copyright. This doesn't add up, and we need to keep it simple. I don't agree with arguments that sequels should protect original works.
 * Amendments
 * Sunny Kalsi: change optional 15 year extension to optional five year extension
 * Motion lapsed --- 2 ayes.
 * Alexis Shaw: remove the "original owner" clause
 * Motion lapsed --- 2 ayes, 1 abstain
 * PM-8 lapses -- 2 ayes

PM-9

 * PM-9 carried

PM-10

 * Questions:
 * George: what offsets in particular are we looking at?
 * Defer that to the Henry Review rather than be explicit. Allows it to be vague.


 * PM-10 carried
 * Poverty line to be updated as necessary at discretion of the PDC.

PM-11

 * PM-11 carried

PM-12

 * Questions:
 * George Campbell: Is there any change to the Means Test for veterans?
 * No, it does not touch that.
 * PM-12 carried

PM-13

 * Question
 * George Campbell: disconnect between this and the NDIS in regard to seniors.
 * Senior citizens aren't covered, is a revelation
 * Thomas Randle: is there a reason why it cuts off at 65? Maybe there are other pensions available?
 * Seems to be a cost issue
 * David Crafti: no modelling for a no age limit scheme
 * Seems better to keep everything under the same category
 * Amendments
 * Add the point "There should be no cut-off age for the NDIS."
 * Amendment accepted
 * Expand acronym NDIS
 * PM-13 accepted

PM-14

 * PM-14 carried

PM-15

 * Amendments
 * Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer: add ", where technically feasible" to the end of the dot point.
 * Amendment accepted.
 * PM-15 carried

PM-16

 * Questions
 * Glen Takkenberg: have we removed the sunset clause?
 * If we want to have a mixed ownership model, we can't reasonably know when to cut the sunset clause.
 * Motions
 * Commit the public/private issue to the PDC.
 * PM-16 carried

PM-17

 * PM-17 carried

PM-18

 * Questions
 * Brendan Molloy: Why repeal Cybercrime Act?
 * Misses key definitions and doesn't bring with it the privacy regulations
 * Melanie Thomas: Should it be "websites and databases" under "ensure no criminal offence applies"
 * Can be clarified
 * Thomas Randle: Should it include all communications?
 * That would be covered by the civil liberties policy
 * David Kennedy: Was there any consideration given to distguishing between private & commercial linking?
 * Left deliberately alone.
 * Amendments
 * Brendan Molloy: "Repeal the Cybercrime Act" to be "Replace the Cybercrime Act with more appropriate legislation for the Digital Age."
 * Amendment accepted
 * Mel Thomas: "to websites" becomes "on the Internet."
 * Amendment accepted.

PM-19

 * Questions
 * I'm worried about this, for example BBC is it free or not?
 * License agreements are mental.
 * Sam Kearns: When the ABC rebroadcasts BBC, they can't podcast/webcast it.
 * Andrew Downing: It would protect Australians at the receiving end.
 * Motion to commit to PDC accepted.

PM-20

 * Motion to commit to PDC accepted

Location of next Congress

 * Motion to hold it in Brisbane in July 2014.
 * Motion carried --- 1 nay.