National Meeting Log 20110518

Meeting Log This page contains a transcript or log of a meeting that occurred on 18th May 2011. It should be used for reference only and does not need to be edited.

(8:00:11 PM) Brendan: it says 8pm here, it is 8pm everywhere.
(8:00:18 PM) Brendan: all clocks are synched to mine, of course.
(8:00:22 PM) NovaKing: go son...
(8:00:38 PM) thetransientmoment: Brendan Coordinated Time...
(8:00:39 PM) Roderick: risks sources if he doesn't protect them against police tactics :\
(8:00:56 PM) Brendan: So this evening we will be discussing the creation of a few workgroups to get more balls rolling within the party, updates on various political things we're involved with, etc etc.
(8:01:12 PM) Brendan: So first on the agenda: creation of wiki management workgroup.
(8:01:39 PM) Brendan: The wiki is a great resource for storing info, but it's getting a bit tangled and hard to manage. There's quite a few outdated entries, and keeping up with it without a group to manage it is a hassle.
(8:01:57 PM) Brendan: we basically need a small group of people that have the primary job function of ensuring the information on the wiki is up-to-date and easy to find.
(8:02:12 PM) Brendan: Faradn has done a wonderful job starting the cleanup, but it's quite a larger job than I had hoped.
(8:02:22 PM) Brendan: So if anybody is up for that, please let me know (either now or later).
(8:02:40 PM) Brendan: Furthermore, I guess Frew can discuss the free music squad he's starting.
(8:02:49 PM) ***Brendan gives Frew the methophorical microphone.
(8:02:50 PM) Roderick: I can help, but Faradn has done a good job with the categories etc
(8:02:55 PM) Brendan: metho.
(8:03:51 PM) Roderick: ping Frew
(8:03:54 PM) Brendan: okay, so Frew isn't here.
(8:03:56 PM) Brendan: when he returns he can discuss that.
(8:04:02 PM) Frew: yeah, we did a stunt distributing creative commons CDs on World IP day, I was thinking we could organise a Squad to listen to and create new CDs
(8:04:08 PM) Frew: I am here just ill and typing slow
(8:04:13 PM) Brendan: haha ok.
(8:04:35 PM) Roderick: How many CDs did you end up handing out?
(8:04:47 PM) Brendan: around 300, maybe more.
(8:04:53 PM) Brendan: maybe less.
(8:04:55 PM) Frew: nearly 300 I think
(8:04:58 PM) Roderick: And is the framework any where so the event can be copied by other crews?
(8:05:15 PM) Roderick: i.e. is it on the wiki?
(8:05:22 PM) Frew: not at the moment I dont think
(8:05:37 PM) Frew: can do it up
(8:05:38 PM) Faradn: no but it can be
(8:05:51 PM) Faradn: I think each squad needs its own page
(8:05:57 PM) Roderick: Ok - can it go here maybe? http://www.pirateparty.org.au/wiki/Support_Independent_Artists
(8:06:09 PM) Faradn: so it will be part of or linked to the music squad
(8:06:10 PM) Roderick: Because that should be as broad a campaign as possible
(8:06:21 PM) Frew: well leave it up to the wiki working group?
(8:06:38 PM) Roderick: ok - who is heading that up? Faradn?
(8:06:44 PM) Roderick: Just so I can minute it
(8:06:50 PM) Faradn: ack ... squad, not working group
(8:06:50 PM) Brendan: Faradn: squads indeed need their own area.
(8:06:53 PM) Faradn: and yes i can do it
(8:06:58 PM) Brendan: both, same thing 
(8:07:00 PM) Roderick: ok
(8:07:04 PM) Faradn: but it would be helpful if there was more than just me
(8:07:05 PM) Frew: cool
(8:07:12 PM) Frew: yeah I'll help
(8:07:28 PM) Faradn: i just want to rationalise the terminology
(8:07:38 PM) Faradn: which means less wiki pages and more refirects
(8:07:41 PM) Brendan: anyway, sidetracked a bit we have.
(8:07:50 PM) Brendan: Frew: what will be the purpose of the free music squad.
(8:07:52 PM) Faradn: *redirects
(8:08:08 PM) Roderick: Yeah, define a specific term of reference/goal for the squad
(8:08:09 PM) Faradn: I also want to debate that name :-D
(8:08:19 PM) Roderick: Now is the time!
(8:08:24 PM) Brendan: it's in quotes for a reason 
(8:08:30 PM) Faradn: should it not be the music freedom squad
(8:08:47 PM) Faradn: or some such, considering pirates are already well known for free music
(8:08:49 PM) Zybch: sounds like a 70's tv show
(8:08:49 PM) Brendan: depends on what its purpose is, which Frew is probably typing
(8:09:00 PM) Frew: ah sure something like that
(8:09:28 PM) Faradn: yeah, not a biggie
(8:09:34 PM) Brendan: Faradn: then there isn't a problem with pirates using their own terms lol 
(8:09:35 PM) Roderick: Free Culture Squad? What if there are open source movies or something you want to distribute
(8:09:52 PM) Faradn: but its the "free as in freedom" argument that you keep on having to make
(8:09:57 PM) Brendan: Free Media Squad.
(8:10:03 PM) Faradn: i like culture
(8:10:04 PM) Brendan: Liberal Media
(8:10:05 PM) Brendan: haha
(8:10:10 PM) Faradn: lolz
(8:10:12 PM) Brendan: Libre Culture Squad.
(8:10:13 PM) mib_rdnto6: liberated music commottee?
(8:10:14 PM) sdunster: ohai
(8:10:17 PM) sdunster: sorry i'm late
(8:10:21 PM) Faradn: hai
(8:10:26 PM) Roderick: music liberation front
(8:10:29 PM) mib_rdnto6: coutoure libre
(8:10:32 PM) Frew: lol
(8:10:35 PM) Brendan: music youth 
(8:10:55 PM) Frew: I like music liberation front, bit like Kopyright Liberation Front
(8:10:56 PM) NovaKing: focus :)
(8:11:01 PM) mib_rdnto6: sonic liberation front
(8:11:03 PM) Nick: back, here now
(8:11:12 PM) Brendan: so I guess the purpose of the squad is to both find and promote free, open media resources found on the internet and offline.
(8:11:20 PM) Brendan: is this a fair assessment?
(8:11:31 PM) Frew: aye
(8:11:43 PM) Brendan: put that in the notes Roderick
(8:11:48 PM) Roderick: yep that sounds like a broad enough tor
(8:12:05 PM) Brendan: So, anybody want in on that squad?
(8:12:39 PM) Brendan: Tumbleweed is unacceptable.
(8:12:47 PM) Lazzar left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
(8:12:48 PM) Roderick: and decide on a method of communication for it
(8:12:48 PM) Frew: dont all volunteer at once >.>
(8:12:58 PM) Brendan: we have far too much to do and not enough volunteers.
(8:13:15 PM) Faradn: tumbleweed is my friend
(8:13:19 PM) Faradn: he will help
(8:13:24 PM) NovaKing: i can probably help
(8:13:32 PM) NovaKing: i know a few people who find that kind of stuff
(8:13:43 PM) Frew: cool
(8:13:45 PM) Faradn: i am up for contributing, but not leading that squad
(8:14:13 PM) Brendan: squads don't really have leaders, they're not committees.
(8:14:15 PM) NovaKing: yeah, i can't lead it
(8:14:19 PM) Brendan: they're basically headed by the secretary 
(8:14:20 PM) BenJD: I've only been a member for a couple of months but would like to help.
(8:14:20 PM) NovaKing: just help where i can
(8:14:26 PM) Brendan: you just say "I found this crap, useful?"
(8:14:28 PM) Faradn: true, they are a band of interested ppl
(8:14:50 PM) Brendan: BenJD: there's the wiki management squad and free culture squad that have vacancies :)
(8:15:12 PM) BenJD: I might be able to source some printing for covers etc for free media.
(8:15:12 PM) Lachy [[email protected]] entered the room.
(8:15:19 PM) Faradn: that sounds great
(8:15:27 PM) Faradn: i need to speak to people who know printers
(8:15:39 PM) Nick: happy to do small scale manufacturing runs, as per last time
(8:15:41 PM) Brendan: finding the content itself too is important 
(8:15:49 PM) Faradn: true
(8:15:54 PM) NovaKing: frew
(8:15:56 PM) Faradn: i shall trall jamendo
(8:16:01 PM) NovaKing: i'm guessing you have been to http://www.jamendo.com/en/ ?
(8:16:14 PM) Brendan: BenJD: so we can count you in for that squad?
(8:16:16 PM) Faradn: he's on there yeah ? with yagan ?#
(8:16:28 PM) BenJD: Sure.
(8:16:31 PM) Frew: yeah
(8:16:35 PM) Roderick: this is good for CC stuff too: http://hexagon.cc/
(8:16:36 PM) Brendan: sweet.
(8:16:45 PM) NovaKing: i know the guys who run hexagon
(8:16:57 PM) Brendan: BenJD: msg me your email address so I can add it to the mailing list we're going to create for the group.
(8:17:05 PM) Faradn: http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Yagan_Kiely
(8:17:10 PM) Roderick: was the guy from isohunt wasn't it?
(8:17:10 PM) Dan left the room (quit: Network is unreachable).
(8:17:15 PM) Brendan: okay, moving on!
(8:17:25 PM) Brendan: Next on the agenda: implementation of new website.
(8:17:31 PM) Dan [[email protected]] entered the room.
(8:17:48 PM) Roderick: wait, who should i say to contact in minutes if interested in Free Culture Squad?
(8:17:56 PM) Roderick: or whatever its called?
(8:18:01 PM) Brendan: me.
(8:18:03 PM) Brendan: the secretary.
(8:18:05 PM) Roderick: Ok
(8:18:17 PM) Brendan: Right now we're running on an aging Drupal 6 installation, and we're working with a webdev to have it redesigned using our proposed corporate identity to use WordPress.
(8:18:29 PM) Dan left the room (quit: Killed (NickServ (Nick kill enforced))).
(8:18:35 PM) Brendan: We'll be adding a section called Insights to replace the gazette, due to lack of interest.
(8:18:37 PM) NovaKing: another note, you want me to get you in contact with the guy who is pro-p2p and releasing those youtube video letter songs? (i'll find link)
(8:18:52 PM) Dan_ [[email protected]] entered the room.
(8:18:59 PM) Brendan: insights will accept interesting entries from the memberbase
(8:19:16 PM) Brendan: and unlike the gazette, can be a 2000 word rant if you wish, as long as we deem it appropriate and interesitng.
(8:19:20 PM) Faradn: you mean Dan Bull?
(8:19:22 PM) Roderick: I think thats a better way to do it than the gazette
(8:19:34 PM) Dan_ is now known as Dan
(8:19:41 PM) Faradn: fair enough
(8:19:42 PM) NovaKing: yeah, Dan Bull
(8:19:52 PM) Roderick: Kind of like the EFF deep links blog, we can essay a bit on broader topics, and maybe get members more involved in communicating with other members
(8:19:54 PM) Faradn: will this replace the links to articles on the wiki ?
(8:20:22 PM) Brendan: I don't know yet, we'll see what happens.
(8:20:27 PM) Faradn: basically all the Further Reading can be ported across
(8:20:29 PM) Brendan: Any questions?
(8:20:44 PM) Faradn: unless a squad / crew wants a link on their page
(8:21:01 PM) Roderick: Nope, but do we have a guesstimate on how long before that might happen
(8:21:02 PM) Roderick: ?
(8:21:03 PM) Brendan: Faradn: it really depends on the content.
(8:21:03 PM) Brendan: Insights will be stuff like "Why we don't have a broader scope" and stuff like that 
(8:21:17 PM) Nick: WP site, is that already up running/staging, or is that a future todo
(8:21:20 PM) Roderick: Kind of like The Drum, but for pirates?
(8:21:28 PM) Brendan: well, he reckons he should have a draft we can see this weekend at the earliest.
(8:21:35 PM) Roderick: oh cool
(8:21:37 PM) Roderick: that fast!
(8:21:47 PM) Faradn: nice
(8:21:50 PM) Brendan: he keeps playing with taxonomy and the categories haha
(8:23:19 PM) Brendan: okay
(8:23:40 PM) Brendan: I'll skip an item on the agenda 
(8:23:53 PM) Brendan: so we'll discuss the logo colour, the primary colour of pirate party australia now.
(8:24:10 PM) Roderick: ah yes, this debate
(8:24:22 PM) Roderick: should have summarised the points made in the email convo
(8:24:35 PM) Frew: black yarr!
(8:24:38 PM) Brendan: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7611623/CI%20draft%200.8%20new-PirateIdentity.pdf
(8:24:58 PM) Brendan: This is the draft identity, with the blue we have chosen (or at least close to that shade)
(8:25:22 PM) Brendan: Roderick: feel free to do it.
(8:25:41 PM) Brendan: It was discussed internally by a few members of various squads, so we're raising it as a public agenda item.
(8:26:05 PM) Brendan: I am happy with the new modern blue that has been chosen, personally.
(8:26:18 PM) Faradn: well yeah i have already expressed a preference for anything not blue as a tertiary colour
(8:26:26 PM) Faradn: although it is easy to get blue swag
(8:26:34 PM) Roderick: Was it Faradn that wanted to change? Maybe he can make a case? And should we poll members or is this a waste of time?
(8:27:02 PM) Faradn: it wasn;t just me, but yeah
(8:27:16 PM) Roderick: But what were the options thrown about - purple, black and orange?
(8:27:16 PM) Faradn: i think both orange and purple are up for grabs in the Aust. political landscape
(8:27:30 PM) Brendan: the primary colours are blue, black and white. secondary are: yellow, bone.
(8:27:39 PM) Roderick: Someone said orange was the democrats colour in AU, but I don't recall that
(8:27:41 PM) mib_rdnto6: you need something other than black, much as I am fond of black, mainly just for contrast issues, and shades of blue works
(8:27:53 PM) Frew: Democrats were green and gold
(8:27:59 PM) Frew: were/are near enough to were
(8:28:08 PM) Brendan: yes, but they're up for grabs for good reason. Purple is the colour of royalty and unnatural things, and orange is of course, the democrats, and yellow is the sex party.
(8:28:26 PM) Brendan: but there are shades of every colour.
(8:28:28 PM) Faradn: sex party have taken red and yellow
(8:28:35 PM) mib_rdnto6: burnt umber?
(8:28:38 PM) Faradn: which is striking but not v nice
(8:28:39 PM) Faradn: lol
(8:28:41 PM) Frew: lol
(8:29:02 PM) Faradn: i prefer orange, but i know it has history in the UK / ireland 
(8:29:05 PM) Roderick: sex party colours look like pizza delivery guys :\
(8:29:09 PM) Brendan: I think having our second colour as yellow if used more prevalently should alleviiate any issues with having blue as a primary colour
(8:29:14 PM) Roderick: or pitt workers
(8:29:16 PM) Frew: yeah yellow and red is a bit bright, was picked for Mc Donalds to make people not want to stick around in their shops
(8:29:22 PM) Faradn: lol
(8:29:27 PM) mib_rdnto6: orange has too many religious connitations
(8:29:27 PM) Faradn: but seriously
(8:29:35 PM) Faradn: sweden went with purple
(8:29:42 PM) Faradn: germany orange
(8:29:43 PM) Roderick: yeah, orange is a colour of christian democratic movement i think?
(8:29:56 PM) Roderick: in other countries anyway
(8:29:58 PM) Faradn: but imo they both look better than blue
(8:30:03 PM) Roderick: hmm
(8:30:09 PM) Frew: I have a personal preference for purple in all things
(8:30:12 PM) Brendan: christdems take differnet colours everywhere.
(8:30:15 PM) Faradn: yeah
(8:30:20 PM) mib_rdnto6: Grey and purple work well
(8:30:26 PM) Faradn: in aust. the christ dems are blue as well
(8:30:39 PM) Zybch: The blue looks nice and professional (credibility).  Font is nicely readable and not a jumbled mess like many party's text.
(8:30:54 PM) mib_rdnto6: point
(8:30:58 PM) Nick: i'm goin against blue purely because it's overused
(8:31:12 PM) Zybch: it IS overused, because it looks good
(8:31:12 PM) mib_rdnto6: counter point
(8:31:14 PM) cibyr: The dark blue looks good and works well as the "deep ocean"
(8:31:18 PM) Faradn: http://www.cdp.org.au/
(8:31:35 PM) Faradn: http://www.democrats.org.au/ - don't see any orange there
(8:31:38 PM) Zybch: I really don't want to click on that link.  They might evangelize at me
(8:31:50 PM) NovaKing: i agree, this blue is much nicer
(8:31:53 PM) Faradn: lol .. yeah watch out for atheist tracking cookies
(8:32:02 PM) Brendan: a website isnt representative of a party's colours.
(8:32:03 PM) Brendan: the Labor website is mainly blue now.
(8:32:07 PM) mib_rdnto6: what about a dark green?
(8:32:12 PM) Brendan: and their colour is red.
(8:32:18 PM) mib_rdnto6: with a charcoal background
(8:32:21 PM) Brendan: turns out that red is not a good colour for a website
(8:32:26 PM) Frew: nah they are blue mostly
(8:32:28 PM) Brendan: and neither is yellow 
(8:32:29 PM) Faradn: lol ... too angry
(8:32:31 PM) Brendan: lol
(8:32:36 PM) Faradn: so yeah 
(8:32:42 PM) Roderick: the canadian PP did red really well
(8:32:46 PM) Faradn: my point is black = primary colour
(8:32:52 PM) Faradn: with white
(8:32:54 PM) Faradn: = pirate
(8:32:57 PM) Brendan: Roderick: Red is canada's colour due to the flag.
(8:33:05 PM) mib_rdnto6: jolly roger
(8:33:06 PM) Brendan: all of their parties use red.
(8:33:18 PM) Faradn: second colour is up for grabs, i prefer purple or orange over blue
(8:33:18 PM) Brendan: go to http://savetheinter.net
(8:33:25 PM) mib_rdnto6: aslong as its not f-ing green and gold
(8:33:27 PM) Brendan: look at the logo in use there, which is one of the new logos.
(8:33:28 PM) cibyr: The flag has to be black, because we can't have it stained red with the blood of our enemies.
(8:33:31 PM) Faradn: now i'll step out and let someone else speak
(8:33:38 PM) Roderick: btw, savetheinter.net mirror is down
(8:33:42 PM) Brendan: think about how it would look with a different colour for the blue part
(8:33:52 PM) Brendan: I am aware of this 
(8:33:58 PM) Nick: savetheinter.net works for me
(8:33:58 PM) Brendan: we're just looking at a logo haha 
(8:34:14 PM) mib_rdnto6: the thing is, using the southern cross kinda implies a blue background, no?
(8:34:25 PM) Faradn: night time ?
(8:34:28 PM) thetransientmoment: Also blue: http://www.secular.org.au/
(8:34:40 PM) thetransientmoment: Now *those* would be atheist tracking cookies...
(8:34:41 PM) Brendan: secular are changing their logo and theme right now actually.
(8:34:44 PM) Brendan: I spoke with them recently.
(8:34:47 PM) mib_rdnto6: just thinking of the Eureka reference
(8:34:56 PM) Anonymous: Need to point out if PPAU is changing colours, they would need to change other like colours, putting pressure on the webmaster team.
(8:35:01 PM) Brendan: their logo looks nationalist of all things and they know it 
(8:35:33 PM) Brendan: it does indeed become a major pain in the ass for IT/Systems.
(8:35:40 PM) Brendan: another one.
(8:35:44 PM) dcrafti [[email protected]] entered the room.
(8:35:49 PM) Faradn: but we are changing anyways
(8:35:58 PM) dcrafti: G'day
(8:35:59 PM) Faradn: so no more pain then planned
(8:36:01 PM) Faradn: hi there
(8:36:17 PM) mib_rdnto6: I have to say I agree with Faradn re the black backtground, very much a pirate colour
(8:36:17 PM) dcrafti: Who's read Ben Grubb's latest piece?
(8:36:21 PM) Roderick: ok - so how do we resolve the change? poll all members?
(8:36:33 PM) amadeus [[email protected]] entered the room.
(8:36:36 PM) Brendan: dcrafti: we're in the middle of a meeting.
(8:36:37 PM) NovaKing: hang on
(8:36:41 PM) NovaKing: my mirrors are down?
(8:36:45 PM) Brendan: Roderick: a simple motion for a poll. 
(8:37:26 PM) Roderick: so, the process would be - talk to glancey, ask for a few swatches, and then poll on those examples?
(8:37:38 PM) Brendan: I'd say so.
(8:37:50 PM) Zybch: sounds good
(8:37:51 PM) Roderick: ok - who can talk to glancey?
(8:37:52 PM) Faradn: ok, I liked the little one page things we had
(8:37:58 PM) Brendan: but before we go to the effort, a motion for even having the poll.
(8:38:11 PM) Brendan: All those in favour of a poll to choose the colour scheme of the party, say aye.
(8:38:21 PM) Roderick: aye
(8:38:23 PM) Brendan: Those in favour of keeping the draft plan, say nay.
(8:38:23 PM) NovaKing: aye
(8:38:31 PM) Frew: Aye
(8:38:33 PM) mib_rdnto6: aye
(8:38:34 PM) Faradn: aye, given a few choices
(8:38:44 PM) Faradn: and a voting system of sorts
(8:38:45 PM) Dan: aye
(8:38:51 PM) sdunster: aye
(8:38:52 PM) cibyr: nay
(8:38:55 PM) Roderick: give a few minutes for any opposition
(8:38:59 PM) Brendan: "I think the aye's have it."
(8:39:01 PM) mib_rdnto6: none of this republic referendum examples
(8:39:03 PM) Roderick: to voice their dissent
(8:39:05 PM) Zybch: aye
(8:39:24 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: current scheme, yellow and fuschia, black and poo brown.
(8:39:31 PM) Faradn: lol .. i'd vote for a change but not the one your proposing
(8:39:32 PM) dcrafti: aye
(8:39:36 PM) Brendan: ;)
(8:40:00 PM) mib_rdnto6: yeah I can see why that needs a change
(8:40:11 PM) Roderick: lol
(8:40:12 PM) Brendan: okay, there will be a poll in the near future. You will be advised by email. 
(8:40:22 PM) cibyr: The draft looks pretty damn good, I think people are just bikesheddding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Triviality
(8:40:26 PM) Brendan: Next agenda item: voting system update.
(8:40:41 PM) Brendan: 9 months in the making, the baby is almost born.
(8:40:42 PM) mib_swyzxj: aye
(8:40:49 PM) Roderick: \o/ i heard that this was getting _very_ close to being finished!
(8:40:54 PM) Brendan: sdunster: feel free to update us on its status.
(8:40:55 PM) mwheeler: Brendan: I heard a rumour that sdunster might know something about that
(8:41:06 PM) sdunster: it works!
(8:41:15 PM) mwheeler: sdunster: did you get my vote?
(8:41:16 PM) Brendan: oh really?
(8:41:20 PM) Brendan: most good
(8:41:22 PM) Frew: wow
(8:41:30 PM) Brendan: we will use the colour poll as a test for the system next week 
(8:41:40 PM) Brendan: and if all goes well, we'll finally conclude the bloody congress from last year.
(8:41:44 PM) Roderick: lol
(8:42:03 PM) Brendan: Next: trans-pacific partnership. Roderick, this one's yours.
(8:42:04 PM) sdunster: mwheeler: i sure did
(8:42:18 PM) sdunster: Brendan: sounds good
(8:42:22 PM) sdunster: haha
(8:42:24 PM) Faradn: sweet as guys
(8:42:25 PM) Roderick: Ok - the DFAT is having consultations regarding the TPPA
(8:42:27 PM) Faradn: well done sam
(8:42:39 PM) Brendan: Roderick: explain what TPPA is.
(8:42:39 PM) Brendan: lol
(8:42:45 PM) Roderick: http://tppwatch.org/what-is-tppa/ for a good run down if you are scratching your head
(8:42:48 PM) NovaKing: i was about to ask what that is
(8:42:50 PM) Roderick: and wondering wtf the TPPA is
(8:43:29 PM) Roderick: It's another free trade agreement, but leaks have shown that it has a few sinister intentions, and its been deemed as 'worse than ACTA' or 'son of ACTA'
(8:43:39 PM) Roderick: again issues of transparency plague the negotiations
(8:43:54 PM) Roderick: We have 3 delegates going to the consultation next Friday in Sydney
(8:44:00 PM) Roderick: there is consulations tomorrow in Melb
(8:44:03 PM) Roderick: if you want to go
(8:44:31 PM) Frew: ah yes I am down for going in Sydney
(8:44:46 PM) Faradn: i can't take the day off i'm afraid
(8:45:06 PM) Roderick: presently the only anti TPPA campaign in oz that I am aware of is: http://aftinet.org.au/cms/trans-pacific-partnership-agreement
(8:45:07 PM) Brendan: watch @lods1211 on twitter tomorrow to see any interesting tidbits about it
(8:45:19 PM) Roderick: but this is a union based campaign,
(8:45:24 PM) Brendan: as she'll be going to the melrboune one.
(8:45:38 PM) NovaKing: when are these occuring?
(8:45:47 PM) Roderick: Does anyone have any substantial objection to us contacting them to see if we can work together on it?
(8:45:58 PM) Brendan: http://www.dfat.gov.au/fta/tpp/index.html
(8:46:36 PM) NovaKing: i think the more people we can find to help, the better
(8:46:50 PM) Brendan: wrong
(8:46:55 PM) ***Brendan reminds you of Socialist Alliance.
(8:47:19 PM) mib_rdnto6: united front and what not
(8:47:36 PM) NovaKing: well yes
(8:47:40 PM) Roderick: They'd likely not be focusing on IPR related issues
(8:47:44 PM) Brendan: lack of objection is unanimous agreement.
(8:47:52 PM) Roderick: the ONLY issue I see, is the MEAA
(8:48:06 PM) Roderick: we have spoke WITH them on wikileaks (even organised an event where they spoke)
(8:48:18 PM) Roderick: but they have come down on the side of AFACT with respect to iiNet
(8:48:22 PM) Roderick: and in a big way too
(8:48:27 PM) Brendan: they are a bit multiple personality disorderly.
(8:48:31 PM) Frew: yeah socialist types eyes glaze over when you rant about ACTA etc at them. So it encourages me
(8:48:34 PM) Roderick: they have thrown their lot in with rights holders, not artists
(8:48:54 PM) mib_rdnto6: odd for socialists
(8:49:22 PM) Frew: well unions arent neccessarily socialist
(8:49:38 PM) mib_rdnto6: true..
(8:49:48 PM) Roderick: ok, so no real big objections?
(8:49:55 PM) Brendan: okay, moving on! 
(8:49:58 PM) Frew: to the TPP? massive
(8:49:58 PM) Roderick: I can contact them, and see how we go, and report back for next meeting
(8:50:16 PM) Brendan: Next item: swag.
(8:50:37 PM) Brendan: I counted how many members donated enough to be eligible for swag (finally, slack I know.) It came out to around 40% of the membership base.
(8:50:39 PM) mib_rdnto6: swag is good
(8:50:52 PM) Roderick: that's pretty good
(8:51:00 PM) Roderick: 40% paying more than 50 for membership
(8:51:15 PM) Brendan: so once we decide on the colour _next week_, we'll get some in, right Faradn?
(8:51:38 PM) Brendan: and people who have been waiting patiently will finally get their sexy sexy swag
(8:51:46 PM) Brendan: enjoy your usb key lanyards guys
(8:51:46 PM) ***Brendan nods 
(8:52:00 PM) Roderick: \o/
(8:52:00 PM) Faradn: heheh, yeah its in the pipeline
(8:52:23 PM) mib_rdnto6: so what sort of swag is in the offing?
(8:52:32 PM) Nick: usb lanyards?
(8:52:33 PM) Brendan: We've been discussing swag on and off since... December 2009.
(8:52:37 PM) Nick: how much are they produce o_0
(8:52:37 PM) Faradn: the final decision is yet to be made
(8:52:43 PM) mib_rdnto6: other than lanyards
(8:52:43 PM) Nick: *to
(8:52:45 PM) Faradn: we have a survey on what ppl want
(8:52:47 PM) Brendan: the lanyards was a joke.
(8:53:08 PM) Faradn: but we'll be taking stuff from the top 10 list
(8:53:10 PM) Nick: oh good... they're exorbitantly expensive, even if produced en masse fron CN
(8:53:10 PM) Roderick: high australian dollar means we can get more swag!
(8:53:11 PM) mib_rdnto6: I have so many lanyards....
(8:53:27 PM) Faradn: ok .. no-one wants lanyards I get it
(8:53:32 PM) mib_rdnto6: lol
(8:53:33 PM) Roderick: lol
(8:53:49 PM) Brendan: keyrings instead.
(8:53:51 PM) mib_rdnto6: Flags should be HIGH on the agenda
(8:53:57 PM) mib_rdnto6: oh yeah thats even better
(8:54:00 PM) mib_rdnto6: ;)
(8:54:03 PM) Brendan: flags are bloody high 
(8:54:07 PM) Brendan: but not for swag.
(8:54:12 PM) Faradn: settle for : http://www.promotionalusb.com.au/Wristband-USB-Flash-Drive-Models-C7/ ??
(8:54:15 PM) mib_rdnto6: fair call
(8:54:15 PM) Brendan: flags are a matter for the national council to organise
(8:54:17 PM) Brendan: we have one jolly roger flag
(8:54:23 PM) Frew: 3
(8:54:26 PM) Brendan: and every protest it has been noted as the "pirate party flag"
(8:54:30 PM) Brendan: so we dont even need one with our logo to be noticed haha
(8:54:31 PM) Faradn: i am thinking of designing a new one
(8:54:33 PM) Roderick: Which featured prominently at Wikileaks protests lol
(8:54:39 PM) Faradn: heh
(8:55:00 PM) Brendan: I was holding said flag.
(8:55:00 PM) stefan: there was another ppau flag that was used in protests from SA, but yeah, need both :)
(8:55:04 PM) mib_rdnto6: car stickers
(8:55:05 PM) Nick: Faradn: custom pritned flash drives, 1GB start at some $8 minimum
(8:55:20 PM) Brendan: we're not doing usb drives.
(8:55:25 PM) Faradn: similar to http://www.best-free-wallpaper.com/cute/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pirate-headphones-200x200.jpg
(8:55:28 PM) Brendan: it's jsut too expensive.
(8:55:34 PM) NovaKing: the jolly roger flag was rather popular
(8:55:35 PM) Nick: yeh i know, it was a "fyi"
(8:55:35 PM) Faradn: car stickers are a must
(8:55:35 PM) mib_rdnto6: like that faradn
(8:55:44 PM) Brendan: so now that swag has been put on notice, we need to move onto the AEC for a moment
(8:55:45 PM) NovaKing: and car stickers is a must
(8:55:54 PM) Brendan: then we can return to any agenda item for further discussion
(8:55:59 PM) Brendan: Roderick: please update us on the AEC.
(8:56:08 PM) Faradn: yes please
(8:56:10 PM) Roderick: kk, typing
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(8:56:20 PM) Roderick: will be longish
(8:56:33 PM) Frew: AEC = hopeless
(8:56:46 PM) Brendan: it is certainly not bite sized.
(8:58:45 PM) Brendan: we need a loading bar
(8:58:52 PM) mib_rdnto6: pmsl
(8:59:07 PM) mib_rdnto6: a little spinning skull with phones
(8:59:27 PM) Roderick: AEC Updates:
(8:59:27 PM) Roderick: Appeal has been sent it, and the legal and compliance division have received it. The appeal was made on a few main points:
(8:59:27 PM) Roderick: 1. Number of members is sufficient, the AEC have not complied with the Act wrt to eligibility and actually being on the roll - these two are not the same.
(8:59:27 PM) Roderick: 2. AEC lost over 200 applications. These were later recovered, but casts doubt over the AEC competence and privacy of applications.
(8:59:27 PM) Roderick: 3. Letters not received, and when contact made, AEC does not respond. Communication issues.
(8:59:28 PM) Roderick: The process is currently ongoing, and I've contacted the AEC for an update. I've not received a response as yet.
(8:59:38 PM) Brendan: does anybody want to help me call a bunch of people and ask them to update their email address?
(8:59:40 PM) Brendan: we got over 40 bounces from this meeting's mailout.
(9:00:22 PM) Roderick: But yeah, that process is ongoing, and I've not received anything from the legal and compliance officer since they emailed me saying they'd received our paperwork.
(9:00:32 PM) Brendan: for those who dont know about the history of the AEC issues, they lost our memberships, found them agian, then cancelled our registration attempt.
(9:00:33 PM) Brendan: without basis.
(9:00:44 PM) mib_rdnto6: lovely
(9:00:52 PM) stefan: claiming we had not communicated with them, when we had been repeatedly by email, which is considered valid
(9:00:53 PM) mib_rdnto6: such charming people
(9:00:59 PM) Brendan: yeah they are.
(9:01:07 PM) Anonymous: Send Hanson after them?
(9:01:08 PM) Brendan: very difficult to contact or communicate with
(9:01:10 PM) Roderick: But yeah, PITA. But ongoing I'm afraid.
(9:01:11 PM) mib_rdnto6: liberals Ill bet
(9:01:18 PM) Brendan: luckily for us being registered doesn't somehow legitimise what we do :)
(9:01:52 PM) Roderick: Exactly - we can still lobby, research and raise awareness.
(9:01:52 PM) mib_rdnto6: yay for being illegitimate!!!
(9:02:05 PM) Brendan: that wraps up the agenda items. Is there anything you guys was like to revisit? :P 
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(9:02:10 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: it's a hero sport.
(9:02:11 PM) Frew: Id be horrified if I ever did anything legitimate
(9:02:20 PM) Brendan: would like* 
(9:02:23 PM) Brendan: was like innit.
(9:02:28 PM) mib_rdnto6: legitimacy is highly overrated
(9:02:44 PM) dcrafti: I know that my cousin's email address was entered incorrectly, so that's one that can be fixed
(9:02:57 PM) Faradn: yep
(9:03:07 PM) Roderick: I'd like to just mention something, and ask if anyone would like to assist on possibly bring it to Australia: http://wiki.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/Freedom_Not_Fear_2011/Overview
(9:03:10 PM) Brendan: dcrafti: msg me the first name, last name and correct email address and i'll fix it nwo
(9:03:15 PM) mib_rdnto6: would like to know a bit more about the sonic liberation foundry
(9:03:24 PM) Faradn: lol .. love it
(9:03:34 PM) Brendan: free culture squad? ahah 
(9:03:40 PM) Brendan: sonic liberation foundry is an awesome name for it.
(9:03:45 PM) Roderick: lol
(9:03:50 PM) Brendan: every single word there is awesome.
(9:03:50 PM) ***mib_rdnto6 bows
(9:04:05 PM) mib_rdnto6: im an ideas man me.. ;
(9:04:07 PM) mib_rdnto6: ;
(9:04:08 PM) mib_rdnto6: 0
(9:04:12 PM) mib_rdnto6: ;)
(9:04:17 PM) Brendan: join a squad
(9:04:18 PM) Brendan: do it now.
(9:04:24 PM) mib_rdnto6: lol
(9:04:34 PM) mib_rdnto6: but seriously
(9:04:38 PM) dcrafti: So, how about writing something about what happened to Ben Grubb?
(9:04:43 PM) mib_rdnto6: what sort of input is needed for this?
(9:05:05 PM) mib_rdnto6: info onpublication/priduction services?
(9:05:19 PM) mib_rdnto6: access to free common license music,etc?
(9:05:44 PM) Frew: listening to freely licenced music and having an opinion on it helps
(9:06:07 PM) dcrafti: Also, there is a chance that we might be able to get someone at a gab-fest in Canberra for Cyber Security Awareness Week
(9:06:08 PM) Frew: theres sites like Jamendo that has literally 100 of thousands of tracks
(9:06:10 PM) mib_rdnto6: somewhat subscribe to the parties namesake, must admit
(9:06:22 PM) Brendan: dcrafti: we've already released a statement to journalists who have requested it.
(9:06:46 PM) mib_rdnto6: I did come across a site that offered free trance and drum and bass tracks a while ago
(9:06:56 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: basically find creative commons and other sharable music and movies that are good, and create CDs, DVDs and generally distributable packs
(9:07:01 PM) Roderick: Should I copy/paste what I wrote?
(9:07:08 PM) Brendan: then we can put them on the site in a "Free Media" section or whatever
(9:07:09 PM) Roderick: Or perhaps someone wants to write a story on Grubb?
(9:07:11 PM) Brendan: distribtue them at protests
(9:07:17 PM) mib_rdnto6: quite a while ago though, cant remember where I found it
(9:07:18 PM) Brendan: Roderick: pastebin and link 
(9:08:13 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: msg me your email address and i'll add you to the squad mailing list anyway
(9:08:19 PM) Brendan: if you want out in the future, you can just let me know.
(9:10:01 PM) dcrafti: @Roderick: It would be good to have it on the website, even if it's just a brief statement. It shows activity and helps with our pagerank.
(9:10:29 PM) mib_rdnto6: addy sent
(9:10:53 PM) Roderick: Just fwded you an email Frew/Brendan re: Free Music Squad
(9:11:27 PM) Brendan: The official meeting has concluded. Stay for the random chatter.
(9:11:33 PM) dcrafti: btw, I transferred all the paypal funds into the party bank account.
(9:11:44 PM) Brendan: thanks for attending.
(9:11:45 PM) dcrafti: Should we be doing something about me still being on all that?
(9:11:55 PM) Brendan: yes, we should and have been planning to.
(9:12:02 PM) Brendan: we'll contact you about that next week.
(9:12:09 PM) mib_rdnto6: would like to put in, re flags, that having smaller flags for distribution through swag would be sweet
(9:12:10 PM) Brendan: Paul's been busy.
(9:12:28 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: it would be quite awesome.
(9:12:31 PM) Roderick: http://pastebay.com/123659 was very short
(9:12:39 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: jolly roger and logo, two small flags, crossed.
(9:12:48 PM) mib_rdnto6: yup
(9:12:51 PM) Roderick: i've actually been coughing and spluttering for the last 3 weeks, and off work :\
(9:12:54 PM) mib_rdnto6: defo on black background
(9:13:02 PM) Roderick: so my contribution is not as large as it should be
(9:13:45 PM) mib_rdnto6: so what has been discussed re swag? my attendance at meetings has been somewhat lax due to my ridiculous working hours
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(9:13:56 PM) Brendan: if anyone has any questions or queries, my email address is [email protected].
(9:14:10 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: nothing recently, we'll be reopening that discussion soon 
(9:14:16 PM) Brendan: in the next week or two
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(9:14:36 PM) Brendan: getting the logo decided upon is priority
(9:14:36 PM) Brendan: as it holds a lot back
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(9:14:55 PM) mib_rdnto6: far call
(9:15:01 PM) dcrafti: &Brendan: I think I remember there being a second issue of the gazette, right? Only the first is linked on the homepage. It looks lonely.
(9:15:40 PM) dcrafti: And the EFA petition link goes nowhere
(9:15:47 PM) Faradn: http://www.pirateparty.org.au/wiki/Swag
(9:15:49 PM) Brendan: there was never a second gazette
(9:15:56 PM) Brendan: we had an whole 0 submissions.
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(9:16:05 PM) dcrafti: And the footer refers to Rod as party secretary
(9:16:11 PM) Brendan: the beginning half of the meeting covered the new planned insights sections of the website 
(9:16:16 PM) Brendan: and that the website is being redesigned. 
(9:16:28 PM) Brendan: technically dcrafti, he still is.
(9:16:30 PM) Brendan: as the voting system was only completed today.
(9:16:53 PM) Brendan: and the AEC has halted our application pending appeal, so he's listed as secretary there too.
(9:16:54 PM) Roderick: if you can contribute to helping keep all the documentation up to date, please do! we need all the help we can get :)
(9:17:13 PM) dcrafti: OK, so how about instead of hoping people will send in articles, come up with a list of 10 topics and just give them out with deadlines. Some people will complete them
(9:17:31 PM) Faradn:  i can give people access to etherpad if we want more collaboration
(9:17:40 PM) Brendan: erm, we did just that
(9:17:40 PM) Brendan: 3 times.
(9:17:54 PM) dcrafti: I mean give specific people specific assignments
(9:17:56 PM) Faradn: i was restricting it to ppl with ppau emails
(9:18:07 PM) Brendan: we did just that too dcrafti
(9:18:15 PM) Brendan: and there was no response. 
(9:18:42 PM) Brendan: which is why we've changed the paradigm to suit the situation instead of fighting a losing battle.
(9:18:45 PM) Roderick: it's quite a lot of work to write something up
(9:18:50 PM) dcrafti: Well, who on here would be willing to write 500 words on a topic, if the topic itself, and a few ideas re the direction were given?
(9:19:42 PM) dcrafti: <tumbleweed>ok then, point made</tumbleweed>
(9:19:47 PM) Roderick: i think with the insights section is a good idea - an ongoing discussion type blog, rather than just one way articles
(9:19:59 PM) Brendan: yes
(9:20:01 PM) dcrafti: Yep, that's still a great idea
(9:20:08 PM) Brendan: link it up to twitter and rss and it'll work great.
(9:20:17 PM) mib_rdnto6: that is a more open forum idea
(9:20:20 PM) Roderick: we are not big enough to have a full blown newsletter yet
(9:20:43 PM) mib_rdnto6: Id imagine there are alot of largely unformed opinions out there aswell
(9:20:48 PM) Roderick: and newsletters are boring anyway, nobody reads them
(9:21:06 PM) mib_rdnto6: people who agree with what the party is trying to do but dont quite understand the details
(9:21:31 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: precisely
(9:21:33 PM) Roderick: thats true, good opportunity to essay on particular points
(9:21:41 PM) mib_rdnto6: and dont rite gud neither
(9:21:46 PM) Roderick: i think it'd be good to encourage dissent/debate on internal party issues too
(9:21:47 PM) Brendan: it hits the mark better than a gazette will.
(9:21:59 PM) Roderick: write a critique, and argue for change on the way things are done
(9:22:09 PM) mwheeler: I imagine a newsletter would just be a digest of what is already provided in the blog posts anyway
(9:22:35 PM) Brendan: pretty much 
(9:22:41 PM) dcrafti: Sorry about missing the start of the meeting, but what was the timeline on this new website?
(9:23:05 PM) Brendan: draft for the NC will be ready this weekend at the _earliest_
(9:23:06 PM) Roderick: I think a draft might be ready by as early as this weekend! Which would be amazing
(9:23:09 PM) Brendan: next weekend by the latest.
(9:23:32 PM) dcrafti: Great, I'll be looking forward to it.
(9:23:55 PM) dcrafti: Are we worrying about things like setting up redirects from the old site's content in order to avoid an SEO hit
(9:23:56 PM) dcrafti: ?
(9:24:48 PM) stefan: that will beccome a matter of how practical it is most likely
(9:25:26 PM) mib_rdnto6: quick question, whats the plan re promotion of the pirate party? say outside of politically oriented protests and what not?
(9:25:36 PM) Brendan: most of the links will remain the same, but press releases will likely move.
(9:25:42 PM) dcrafti: Our SEO is pretty good at the moment, so I wouldn't want to jeopardise it
(9:25:49 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: I'm starting a society at UTS called UTS Pirates (apt!)
(9:26:07 PM) Brendan: membership of the party is not mandated, but it apouses interest.
(9:26:17 PM) mib_rdnto6: actually university societies are a pretty good idea
(9:26:32 PM) Brendan: mhmm
(9:26:37 PM) Brendan: there's interest in one being started at UNSW too
(9:26:46 PM) mib_rdnto6: what about ex-educational institutions?
(9:27:04 PM) Brendan: and meetings in Sydney will most likely be held at UTS once the society is registered, as it's much cheaper than everywhere else
(9:27:07 PM) Brendan: what do you mean exactly?
(9:27:08 PM) Roderick: I've thought about getting stalls @ events like the BDO etc (I've seen other political parties have them)
(9:27:10 PM) dcrafti: At Monash, you need 3 students to sponsor it and about 20 to sign a petition... Not easy for me when I don't go to the main campus
(9:27:11 PM) Brendan: I'm lag spiking ..
(9:27:15 PM) mib_rdnto6: do you guys ahve any links with Jura books?
(9:27:15 PM) Roderick: But we have to get insurance first
(9:27:29 PM) mib_rdnto6: thats the kind of thing I was thinking of roderick
(9:27:39 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: never heard of it tbh
(9:27:42 PM) Nick: insurance???
(9:27:46 PM) Brendan: UTS requires 15 paying members.
(9:27:48 PM) Brendan: minimum.
(9:27:48 PM) stefan: PLI Nick
(9:27:51 PM) mib_rdnto6: so I take it that alot of you guys here are Uni students?
(9:27:59 PM) Brendan: 15 members, and 3 must be union members.
(9:28:08 PM) Brendan: I've got 12 paying members so far haha
(9:28:09 PM) Brendan: it's about as hard as recruiting for the party itself.
(9:28:10 PM) Roderick: This year I _will_ get a stall @ http://www.newtowncentre.org/festival/
(9:28:23 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: not as many as you'd think actually.
(9:28:25 PM) mib_rdnto6: yes, Roderick
(9:28:36 PM) stefan: minute that Brendan
(9:28:39 PM) mib_rdnto6: newtown is a great prospect for recruitment
(9:28:45 PM) dcrafti: mib_rdnto6, quite a few, but not necessarily first time around
(9:28:52 PM) Brendan: stefan: which part.
(9:29:04 PM) stefan: the stuff Rod _will_ do
(9:29:07 PM) Roderick: lol
(9:29:15 PM) Brendan: Rod's doing the minutes
(9:29:19 PM) Brendan: have him _do_ it
(9:29:21 PM) Roderick: muahaha
(9:29:29 PM) Roderick: ok, added
(9:29:42 PM) stefan: heh, I guess he still is technically the secretary
(9:29:45 PM) mib_rdnto6: what about sponsering a tent at festivals?
(9:29:54 PM) dcrafti: Aaahhh, the baby's finally asleep
(9:29:55 PM) mib_rdnto6: enlarge the visibility a bit
(9:30:04 PM) Roderick: that'd be a pretty good idea
(9:30:12 PM) Roderick: wonder how much it costs though?
(9:30:18 PM) mib_rdnto6: depends
(9:30:39 PM) mib_rdnto6: the tent space is not the main expense its the pa and lighting that costs
(9:30:51 PM) mib_rdnto6: and even more so the labour
(9:31:09 PM) Roderick: ah - I think Frew is the man to speak to re: a PA
(9:31:17 PM) mib_rdnto6: but if you can involve people from the party that have any sort of event/PA experience, ie myself., that can be lowered
(9:31:19 PM) stefan: or sdunster 
(9:31:31 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: which state?
(9:31:33 PM) mib_rdnto6: Im a lighting guy myself
(9:31:36 PM) mib_rdnto6: NSW
(9:31:41 PM) Brendan: we have quite a few events guys in SA and NSW
(9:31:44 PM) dcrafti: I'd be careful about that secretary stuff, w.r.t. the AEC. If he's technically the secretary, then I'm technically the president (which I'm not). It seems more to me that the secretary position is open at the moment, which the AEC might not like.
(9:31:51 PM) Brendan: sweet, we dont have a lighting guy 
(9:31:52 PM) Brendan: unless Nick counts.
(9:32:59 PM) mib_rdnto6: a tent with a stage bordered with the party flag would really get the party noticed
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(9:33:16 PM) mib_rdnto6: include some info sessions between sets or something
(9:33:17 PM) Brendan: dcrafti: if the AEC was aware of our party name right now i'd be shocked.
(9:33:28 PM) Roderick: thats true
(9:33:34 PM) dcrafti: At some point though, they'll be looking
(9:33:45 PM) Roderick: there was another idea thrown about - the mardi gras, a piratical float
(9:33:50 PM) dcrafti: And they might be looking for reasons
(9:33:55 PM) mib_rdnto6: fuck yeah
(9:34:01 PM) mib_rdnto6: pardon my french
(9:34:14 PM) mib_rdnto6: but a very good idea, expensive but massive exposure
(9:34:25 PM) Brendan: the main criticism of that was the fear of the "butt pirate" label haha
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(9:34:32 PM) mib_rdnto6: he he
(9:34:47 PM) mib_rdnto6: yeah, but hand out pink party t shirts and you;d have a hit
(9:35:01 PM) sdunster: stefan: or sdunster // hmmm?
(9:35:14 PM) stefan: sdunster: just re PA in Sydney for a hypothetical event
(9:35:22 PM) Roderick: The Swedish and German parties both participate in their respective 'mardi gras' type events
(9:35:24 PM) sdunster: oh yeah I can help out with that
(9:35:30 PM) Roderick: hugh exposure, and a lot of community good will
(9:35:37 PM) mib_rdnto6: what PA you got sdunster?
(9:35:42 PM) Brendan: mib_rdnto6: yeah, Pink Pirates
(9:35:44 PM) Roderick: huge*
(9:35:55 PM) sdunster: i can do lighting too, someone buy me a grandMA
(9:35:57 PM) mib_rdnto6: not involving in the gay community is a massive political blunder
(9:35:59 PM) sdunster: :D
(9:36:19 PM) mib_rdnto6: meh, bring on the roadhogs, sdunster
(9:36:25 PM) mib_rdnto6: HOG all the way
(9:36:29 PM) sdunster: nah
(9:36:33 PM) Roderick: plus, by all accounts, the mardi gras is a lot of fun.
(9:37:17 PM) mib_rdnto6: mind you, I dont know much about GrandMAs so Im biased
(9:37:36 PM) sdunster: yeah well ditto
(9:37:46 PM) sdunster: dont really know much about hogs
(9:37:50 PM) mib_rdnto6: same same but different really
(9:38:03 PM) mib_rdnto6: exactly the same concept in a slightly different shell
(9:38:24 PM) sdunster: grandma has space invaders
(9:38:27 PM) sdunster: beat that
(9:38:32 PM) mib_rdnto6: ....
(9:38:36 PM) mib_rdnto6: umm.....
(9:38:53 PM) mib_rdnto6: good way to miss your cues that
(9:39:04 PM) sdunster: hehe
(9:39:09 PM) Brendan: #ppau-lightingnerds
(9:39:22 PM) sdunster: Brendan: party pooper
(9:39:40 PM) mib_rdnto6: anything that includes wireless dmx and remote wireless controll rocks as far as Im concerned
(9:40:01 PM) mib_rdnto6: anyhoo
(9:40:04 PM) Brendan: how about that folding@home hey 
(9:40:05 PM) mib_rdnto6: point being
(9:40:08 PM) Brendan: sure is a good folding@home
(9:40:13 PM) Brendan: until bitcoin came along.
(9:40:20 PM) sdunster: hehe
(9:40:30 PM) Roderick: ok, i think the main part of the meeting is completed yes? Going to try get an early one tonight. 
(9:40:39 PM) sdunster: oh sorry.. thought we were already done
(9:40:42 PM) mib_rdnto6: what the hell is folding@home?
(9:40:47 PM) sdunster: jfgi
(9:41:01 PM) Brendan: it was over 40 minutes ago,haha
(9:41:01 PM) Brendan: I concluded it.
(9:41:04 PM) Roderick: ah!
(9:41:06 PM) Roderick: kk