Minutes/National Council/2020-05-12

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National Council meeting May 12th 2020

Scheduled start 20:30 Sydney time

Quorum: not quite

Attendance

  • David "twisty" Read (Councillor)
  • Alex Jago (Secretary)
  • Miles Whiticker (President)
  • Dave "Satch" Kennedy (Councillor)
  • Bryn "mandrke" Busai (Dispute Resolution Committee)
  • John August (Deputy President emeritus)
  • Geoff Huntley (covidsafe.watch)

Discussion

Previous Minutes

  • covidsafe.watch site
  • Email discussion prior to meeting:
  • per Miles: "We have been invited to take over running covidsafe.watch"
  • Brandon: "I'm concerned as to the liability issues and neutrality issues. We take this on, it may taint the project in some commentators eyes."
  • John: What about EFA? Why not them?
  • Presentation from Geoff Huntley
  • Geoff wants to think about succession very early
  • "we started looking at COVIDSafe source code very early, we have a community and we are keeping track"
  • "now we're watching a government department fail"
  • no bug bounty, slow responses
  • website documenting failures
  • need to just be able to link to URLs of CVE-likes
  • a single person can be character assassinated and is fallible
  • next chapter: team of good software engineers, DIY app
  • Labor is taking notice!
  • Example failure: temp ID isn't temporary, not rotating. Perma-broadcast, including handset name. Full deanonymisation.
  • SG fixed this in one day
  • auto decompilation being worked on, bypassing the BS "license"
  • this work is primary research
  • plenty of countries around the world
  • conjecture: possibly Australia is limited to only putting the app on the AU app store
  • likely that AU has done a separately licensed fork, probably just a tarball drop
  • conjecture #2: because OpenTrace is GPL, it's possible that AU can't take the patches
  • Alex: what are you actually after?
  • Geoff: need active maintainers over the longer-than-a-couple-of-months timeframe
  • Repository
  • Keeping it factual
  • Discord
  • Keeping it from degenerating

Potential PPAU actions

  1. do nothing
  2. publicly take over (for various values of take over)
  3. quietly help in the background
  4. Make EFA or DRW do it (basically the same as #0)

Other Covid points

  • History shows that temporary civil restrictions are released once the threat has been dealt with. Too soon often.


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